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cale · Citizen Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Illinois

Jeanne, that's really cool. I hope they married for love as well. I really want to get into my family lines, especially my mom's father's family. Their from the Isle of Mann, and were horse theives. I've got all the sites and resources written down, from when you've talked about it before with me and Angela, it's just the getting to it.
I looked this up a long time ago, but what is the difference between marriage by license and by banns?

Jeanne · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:07 am Post subject:

I don't really know. It is just what this lady told me. She said that a licence costs more money than by banns. Usually they did it to get married quickly. Also, the woman was not with child. They were married on Oct. 31, 1866 so the certificate threw out the theory of her being pregnant before marriage. We need our expert Andrea to answer these questions. She knows more than I do. Cale, eventually I'm going to pay to get back on Ancestry.com. If you can get information together then I will let you use my account to look things up. I don't mind giving you the password but you will need to get some basic information and you need to go back to at least to 1930. Try to get back as far as you can so I can help you locate someone and get you started. But you need to ask questions now. Eventually, the people will die and the information will be lost forever. Even if you just write it down. And how do you know that your relatives were horse thieves. My dad used to say the same thing. lol. But really, I would be happy to help you get started and have no problem you using my account. But I just need to pay for it first. I've been waiting for the right time to pay. Meaning there are things that I need to look up. And I'm going to pay for the world membership which includes Ireland, England, and Scotland. I'm in no hurry though but if you would like help then I will help you and it won't cost you a dime.
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Andi · Colonist Joined: 21 Apr 2008 Posts: 256

Jeanne/Cale Before 1837, most English marriages took place in the parish church, following the publication of banns, or by license. Banns were an announcement in the local church of both persons on three sucessive Sundays. But in certain circumstances the couple could obtain a marriage license from one of the ecclesiastical offices, and banns were not required. Licenses were obtained for many reasons, most commonly to avoid the wait through the reading of the banns or to avoid the publicity of the announcement. Very Happy

cale · Citizen Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Illinois

Thanks Andi!
Jeanne, I actually have enough information past 1930, and probably through the mid 1800's, with grandparents of my grandparents. I just want to get it recorded, and all the stories that go along with it. It is an actual fact that my forefathers were horse thieves, they were run out of town, and I think that's when they came to the US. Now on the other side of my family, my very traditional, proper grandmother, she came oddly enough from our town's bootleggers in the 20's. They owned a bar here that's pretty popular, and it still has the buttons on the wall, that you could push to call for some "entertainment" from upstairs. My great great great grandfather eventually got caught for bootlegging and part of his parole, was to drive the governor of Illinois around.

Jeanne · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject:

Okay so you have a lot of information. Now is the time to start looking up some things. Are you basing all this information on oral accounts? The offer is still open for you if you want to take a look at some census records and all this. Remember too that if it is an oral account than it must be stated that way. In genealogy, people like sources so you must have your source. I have found some great stuff on genealogy. Military records, marriage dates, death dates. Just a lot of stuff. Do you have any idea when any of your family came to America?
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Jeanne · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject:

And Thanks Andrea for your definition on the banns verses the licenses. That is really helpful!!!!!
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cale · Citizen Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Illinois

I've heard it told to me, but there are distant cousins of mine, who actually have looked it up and have written acounts. The thing is, some people in my family have done a bit, so I need to get what they have and work from there. I was also going to have my grandparents write down the family tree as far back as they could go, something for them to do on a boring winter's day, but I got busy. I need to schedule a time to do all this, because I keep saying "this winter," "this spring," "this summer" and never actually do it. Both my grandma's have pictures and documents, miscellaneous stuff that I want to go through, especially my great grandmother's journal of when she spent time in Belguim. I would say I have it pretty easy to go back quite at least 150 years, but like I said I just need to do it. I'll take the offer, Thanks! Just don't get on right away if you don't think you're going to use it right away, you do it when you want it, don't base it on me.

Jeanne · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:

That's fine. I am looking for a few things so I will probably just pay for a month. That is plenty of time to find loads of stuff. I won't have use of it all the time for sure. There is only so much I can really find. But I want to look up a few things. Somebody filed a civil war pension on my great grandfather and he wasn't even dead so I'm curious of what it says on the original document and it is in there. Cale, did you know that the 1890 census was destroyed by a fire. Only maybe 6 thousand names remain. What a shame on that!!! You wouldn't believe my genealogy mess. I have so much crap in a box and also on the computer. I have a program that I add names to but that is such a chore. It is called Family Tree Maker. I haven't even entered half the names. I have one document that is over 250 pages long that someone sent to me about my dad's father's family. Hundreds of people that I need to add. Not to mention the Pascall family in England which contains at least 500 names. I don't know how I'm going to get this all done!!! You will find in your research at some point very distant cousins that you connect to. And in doing so, you will be able to contact these people who have done a lot of the work for you. I will probably pay for a month maybe in a month or so. I was thinking of organizing all the stuff I have but that will be so hard. I'll let you know when I do that. Also on line you can look for charts to start you out to get more organized. Generation charts and things like that. There are templates.
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cale · Citizen Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Illinois

Any templates you would reccommend?

Jeanne · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject:

Let me look for some on-line. I have some here from a book so I will look for some that match what I have here. They are very helpful. I'll get back with you.
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Jeanne · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject:

http://www.cyndislist.com/supplies.htm#Online

Tell me if you get this website. I would start with a Pedigree chart. Start with yourself and go upwards and fill in what you can. And also with Family group sheets. Family group sheets are really important. I have one here that is just for an individual. I didn't seem to find that one and I know that you would like to put your stories or oral accounts of some of the people. I will look for some of these as well. You need adobe to open these. Also the ones on Ancestry look pretty good. Didn't know they had census sheets. Anyways you can pick and choose what you want from here. If you don't have adobe acrobat reader than you can download it from the web. But to get started, I would go with the Pedigree chart (generation chart) and the Family group sheets. I also have a 3 ring binder and I use those thingies, what are they called, to separate families by name. Buy a 3 hole puncher so you can keep all the paperwork in the binder. My binder is overflowing and quite the mess though. I started out fine but now it is just a mess because I just threw pictures, documents, etc in there. Now it is just in a big box with so much other stuff. I really need to organize. And I need to backup all that I have on the computer. If my computer crashed, I would be in trouble here.
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Jeanne · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject:

I was reading Shanna and Ruark mentioned the "banns" and if they had been announced. See, now I understand better because Andrea explained about the banns being announced. Isn't it nice that Andrea explains all this to us when we ask!!! I think it is. Very Happy

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cale · Citizen Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Illinois

Yes, I think it's so sweet when Andi, or someone else for that matter, helps me with something I'm not that familiar with. People are surprised at how much history I know sometimes, and honestly, I learned it all from reading romances, and not from school. I only wish I could have been reading romances while taking history classes, I might have participated more and done a bit better.

brony1 · Citizen Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 159

Thanks for the website Jeanne.

Am I right Andi that if people wanted to marry without their parents permission then they would try to get a special Licence for the quiky ceremony. Does that mean that with the announcing of the banns it is to give those who object time to try to prevent the wedding? I know that sometimes when people didnt want to wait for the banns or couldnt get the licence they would take off to Gretna Green and marry over the anvil.

Andi · Colonist Joined: 21 Apr 2008 Posts: 256

That's right Brony, during the war there were a lot of special licences because of the men being called back to fight and they had already consummated the relationship, in some cases. Confused